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PostSubject: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 8:46 pm

I've been researching about how to level my 2012 fj. I don't really want to lift the back, just raise the front a bit. I am trying to avoid spacers that compress the coils, as im sure that would alter the ride a bit. Does anyone have any ideas? Im trying to keep the factory ride, just bump the front up an inch or two. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:09 pm

Bilstein 5100 adjustable shocks. These have 4 adjustment settings. With stock rear suspension, you can go with the level 3 setting and it will raise the front enough to level. I may be just a tad high.

These can be bought any number of places for about $85-$90 each. I had mine installed at a local shop. BUT, we are having a wrenching day next month and I will be re-adjusting mine higher since I added new springs to the rear.

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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:13 pm

so are those coil over shocks? Im confused at how a shock could add lift???? so you're saying, buy the 5100's and thats all i need for 2 inches in the front? Thanks scotty! And id be happy to supply beer, or if you're harder to please, cash, for anyone helping me with the install!
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PostSubject: level   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:21 pm

you might wanna think about this...

http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58699&category_id=103&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72

that may be a good place to start...if you need more then i would consider the bilstien 5100 shocks...anything after that ...you are probably going to have to go with an actual lift....
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:24 pm

So those are just 3/4 inch spacers right? I like the idea of just buying new shocks so long as I don't have to buy anything else to level out the front. I know you're rig is awesome mike, but you saw my baby fj, it just needs something until I have your kind of money to do it right!
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:29 pm

The 5100 adjustment moves the the coil "seat" up which results in list. The 1st slot is for stock height then they go up to about 2.5" of lift. I watched pretty closely when the shop did mine and I took some pictures. Hopefully I can remember enough and will have help from others to do mine...I'm sure we could knock out 2 sets at one time. Plus other projects that day... Check out the Wrenching Day posting under the Events section.

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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeSun Jan 29, 2012 9:42 pm

Adding spacers to your front are not really going to really alter the ride quality. Its my understanding the 5100s basically act as a built in spacer, forcing the top end of the spring down thus lengthening the set-up. I think both require a coil spring compressor to install.

With this said I could be very wrong. I often am. Very Happy

I have these on the front, with toytec coils and icon shocks in the back. They also have these in 2", which is probably better if you are not lifting the rear.

http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=58760&category_id=103&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=72
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 2:58 pm

Brian's correct on everything so far. The 5100's are a direct replacement but you do need a spring compressor to do the work as well as other basic tools, including a torque wrench to put it all back together. I put on the full Toytec kit, but I opted to assemble it all myself and save some $$ instead of buying the pre-made kit. It's the same procedure as just replacing the stock shocks with 5100's though.

I do not like spring compressors since they are so dangerous, so I brought my strut assembly to a local garage and had them compress the springs for me few a little $, much safer. I think that and a little welding are about the only things I've had someone else do on my truck.

Incidentally, I do work for beer and I'm only a few miles from you...
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 4:53 pm

ok speedrye, I ordered the 5100s......I dont have many tools since i just got in my house a few months ago, but everywhere Ive called is quoting me around 200 for install and alignment. How much do you think M&M tire and auto on 220 or somewhere like that would charge to just mount the new shocks on the factory coils and we install them ourselves? Do you have somewhere to work? I'd be happy to supply beer and pay you for the help, let me know man
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 5:05 pm

Yeah, I've got a garage (heated if needed). I'd guess most places would charge $10-$15 for each, but you could probably find it cheaper. We can take the struts apart ourselves and just have them compress the new springs back on to make things easier.
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 5:12 pm

good deal, fair warning, i will be a set of hands, but thats about it. Ive done a lift on a heep, but that was a different ball game. But if you feel comfortable with being the brains behind the operation, let's do it. (name your price too)
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm comfortable with that and an extra set of hands will make things easier than doing it by myself like I did on mine. A 12 pack of beer is payment enough, though I will be picky about the beer. =)
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 5:22 pm

Well I'll hook you up man! Pm me your number or something and we can set this up
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 6:34 pm

Speedrye wrote:
I'm comfortable with that and an extra set of hands will make things easier than doing it by myself like I did on mine. A 12 pack of beer is payment enough, though I will be picky about the beer. =)

LOL!

This is awesome and why I love this place!

I'm thinking of doing the same thing here! I would really like to go 285/70/17s and maybe this would be a good start!
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 7:17 pm

Haha I know, definitely cool people on here. I did a bunch of research and decided on the 5100s to raise the nose a bit, with the option of running 285s later.
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 10:00 pm

Smart choice...IMO

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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 11:22 pm

I have 5100's under mine along with 2" rear lift springs. I am gonna say this and you guys might feel differently but my initial plan was to level mine but as soon as the shocks were delivered to my house I started having second thoughts. I then chose to go ahead and get the rear springs so I wouldn't have to go through removing those front shocks in order to raise them to the 2.5" setting. I did this and I am so glad I did. Had I just leveled the front I don't think I would have been happy with it.

Now having said that, you will be very happy with the 5100's. I have been on several off road events and these shocks have been holding up very well. I am nothing but pleased with them.

I will also say that I took my own stock shocks off and carried them to a local tire shop that had a safe spring/strut compressor. They removed my springs from the stock shocks and installed them on the 5100's for $25. Took the guy about 10 minutes to do it as well. Saved me time and the headache that goes along with it. I recommend letting the professionals do the shock assembly but you can do the install.

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PostSubject: lift Vs. leveling   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeMon Jan 30, 2012 11:38 pm

I agree with Jami...in what it took me to lift my truck i couls have just leveled it..but i know that if i had just leveled it i would not have been happy...i did the springs front and rear...and never even touched a spring compressor...you dont need it...I PROMISE YOU>>>YOU DO NOT NEED TO COMPRESS your springs...i dont have 5100s but all the same...still dont need to compress...my $.02 worth is that if your gonna level...you might as well lift...
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeTue Jan 31, 2012 12:17 am

i know i know.......The shocks are on the way, may look at some superflex coils in the rear........set the shocks to 2.5 inch, with 2 inches in the back.....that would be pretty sweet.
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeTue Jan 31, 2012 1:11 am

For those with the 5100's. If I were to get these and put them on the highest setting do you think it would still sit level with a bumper?
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeTue Jan 31, 2012 8:27 am

Dave, what springs are you running? I know on my Toytec front lift, my front sagged 1/4" when I added the ARB bumper which is about the heaviest out there. On stock springs, I have no idea how much sag you'd get.
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeWed Feb 01, 2012 6:24 pm

Ok wait! I think this is a dumb question but here goes... Are you guys telling me you can put 285/70/17 on JUST by adding these shocks? I think the answer is no but I had to ask. My stock 2011 seems to sit up higher than most older stock FJs.
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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeWed Feb 01, 2012 6:50 pm

I believe your answer is actually yes. I do not think the lift really dictates the size tires you can run. It might look pretty stuffed in the front wheel wells though. Even with the lift, when you compress your springs the wheels/tires would be back in this same position. The body mount, backspacing, and UCAs seem to be what limits tire size.

The rear wheel wells seems sufficiently larger, so a small leveling lift in the front should be plenty adequate to run larger tires.

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PostSubject: Re: trying to level my new fj   trying to level my new fj Icon_minitimeWed Feb 01, 2012 7:46 pm

Paul, Here is a thread that was recently started. I recall several others in the blue room running 285/70/17s without a lift.

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/wheels-tires/141852-i-dont-want-lift-what-tire-wheel-size-can-i-get-away.html
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